Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
Hi all,
I thought I'd post my progress with a classical build that I'm doing with Toscano Guitars. I'm doing this over a 3-week intensive. Right now I'm near the end of Week 2, but I'll go back to the start and get caught up over coming days.
First of all, I'll say that getting everything set up with Steve was excellent - friendly, professional, good clear communication both on email and by phone. And now that I'm in the course, I can add that he's an excellent teacher too.
Most of the intensive is just me and Steve, or maybe with another student too on some days. There's one group class per week on Monday evenings - a great bunch of guys who are all loving their builds and hanging out.
As someone who has been way-too-slowly dabbling with instrument building for a number of years, I'm also finding that this intensive build is not only leading me to a quality instrument, but the other benefits are things like understanding how it all works, better tool usage and confidence.
Day 1
Tasmanian Blackwood sides bridge patch getting some braces ready
Day 2
cleaning up the jointed top top and back about to be thickness sanded prepping for the rosette channel cutting the rosette scarf joint heel block (maybe a little too much glue!) back rosette in thicknessing the top That's all for now - I'll try to get caught up with pics over the weekend and add some other comments and thoughts.
I thought I'd post my progress with a classical build that I'm doing with Toscano Guitars. I'm doing this over a 3-week intensive. Right now I'm near the end of Week 2, but I'll go back to the start and get caught up over coming days.
First of all, I'll say that getting everything set up with Steve was excellent - friendly, professional, good clear communication both on email and by phone. And now that I'm in the course, I can add that he's an excellent teacher too.
Most of the intensive is just me and Steve, or maybe with another student too on some days. There's one group class per week on Monday evenings - a great bunch of guys who are all loving their builds and hanging out.
As someone who has been way-too-slowly dabbling with instrument building for a number of years, I'm also finding that this intensive build is not only leading me to a quality instrument, but the other benefits are things like understanding how it all works, better tool usage and confidence.
Day 1
Tasmanian Blackwood sides bridge patch getting some braces ready
Day 2
cleaning up the jointed top top and back about to be thickness sanded prepping for the rosette channel cutting the rosette scarf joint heel block (maybe a little too much glue!) back rosette in thicknessing the top That's all for now - I'll try to get caught up with pics over the weekend and add some other comments and thoughts.
Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
Good stuff. It is always nice to follow a build. It is rare that there isn't a little something that can't be learnt - particularly with someone as professional as Steve Toscano guiding.
Good pictures too. Enjoy.
Good pictures too. Enjoy.
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Dave
Dave
Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
Thanks for posting up those pics. Looks like your build is coming along nicely. Should be a pretty smooth build with Steve looking over your shoulder.
PS...great way of shaping that bridge patch.....Im stealing that one!
PS...great way of shaping that bridge patch.....Im stealing that one!
Martin
Day 3
And here's some of the third day ...
More top thicknessing: Routing the truss rod channel: Prepping the headstock veneer (definitely wanting to keep using the beautiful timber): Marking out the top bracing: Rough shaping some of the braces to size. This is one good example of the kind of upskilling that comes from an intensive course like this. Before now, I had a limited way of thinking about this step. Now I'm thinking about when to use different planes (block vs bigger, for example), moving between two shooting boards with different heights, and when to use a plane clamped upside down in a vice). More brace shaping: And the final pic for Day 3 ... All go-barred. This is where I wrapped up the day, with the top glued up in the go-bar deck: All coming along nicely!
More top thicknessing: Routing the truss rod channel: Prepping the headstock veneer (definitely wanting to keep using the beautiful timber): Marking out the top bracing: Rough shaping some of the braces to size. This is one good example of the kind of upskilling that comes from an intensive course like this. Before now, I had a limited way of thinking about this step. Now I'm thinking about when to use different planes (block vs bigger, for example), moving between two shooting boards with different heights, and when to use a plane clamped upside down in a vice). More brace shaping: And the final pic for Day 3 ... All go-barred. This is where I wrapped up the day, with the top glued up in the go-bar deck: All coming along nicely!
Day 4
I arrived on the morning on Day 4 to find nicely glued up top braces:
I enjoyed using these two little planes for brace shaping:
(I like this pic ... looks like a little snail slowly travelling along the top):
And more brace shaping progress:
On to side bending. We started with the iron to get the rough shape, and then moved to the blanket to get the sides finalised:
Beginning of shaping the neck tenon:
Getting a start on the neck fit with hardware, etc.:Day 5
And here's the last day of the first week ...
Starting with nicely bent sides: Glueing in the kerfing: Neck block mortise: Start of heel shaping: Planing the kerning flush: Gluing the sides to the top: Gluing in the marriage strip at the go-bar deck: And the last bit for the day, gluing the headstock veneer: And that's it for Week 1!
Starting with nicely bent sides: Glueing in the kerfing: Neck block mortise: Start of heel shaping: Planing the kerning flush: Gluing the sides to the top: Gluing in the marriage strip at the go-bar deck: And the last bit for the day, gluing the headstock veneer: And that's it for Week 1!
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Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
I'm impressed. It is looking good, and that much progress usually takes me about 6 months.
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Thanks Mark. Usually my progress can be measured in years, not months ... but that's the beauty of an intensive with time set apart, and with a teacher who knows the processes really really well!Mark McLean wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:26 pmI'm impressed. It is looking good, and that much progress usually takes me about 6 months.
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Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
Thanks for this Bern!! Been great having you around.
10 days down, 5 to go.
Seeyou in the shop in a few hours.
10 days down, 5 to go.
Seeyou in the shop in a few hours.
Day 6
So here's what it looked like as I started Day 6 / Week 2:
Shaping the back braces with a jig for proper radius: Back braces nicely shaped: Laser engraving marriage strip: I settled on my initials and the year, but went with a handwritten font pencilled by my daughter: Gluing on back braces: And here they are. I was pretty happy with my shaping of these braces. I felt that I was able to apply some of the trial and error in shaping the top braces, to get these ones a bit more snugly fitting: Day 6 done!
Shaping the back braces with a jig for proper radius: Back braces nicely shaped: Laser engraving marriage strip: I settled on my initials and the year, but went with a handwritten font pencilled by my daughter: Gluing on back braces: And here they are. I was pretty happy with my shaping of these braces. I felt that I was able to apply some of the trial and error in shaping the top braces, to get these ones a bit more snugly fitting: Day 6 done!
Re: Day 7
Here's Day 7:
Let's start with a pic of the Schaeller tuners I'll be using: I have to use these magnifiers these days a little more than I wish I needed! Back kerning glued on, and sitting upside down to help with glue runs: Cutting out a blank for the tail wedge: Notching out for the side braces: Glued and clamped side braces: Cutting the fret slots: Slotted finger board: And here's the body so far, now with all braces glued in: Shaping the back with the radius dish and some weight - "driving the bus": The back temporary clamped on for checking and fitting and marking for notching: Notch for back brace: A last look at the insides before they are clamped up! And finally for the day, here are a few pics of the back being clamped on - closing up the box, a big milestone:
Let's start with a pic of the Schaeller tuners I'll be using: I have to use these magnifiers these days a little more than I wish I needed! Back kerning glued on, and sitting upside down to help with glue runs: Cutting out a blank for the tail wedge: Notching out for the side braces: Glued and clamped side braces: Cutting the fret slots: Slotted finger board: And here's the body so far, now with all braces glued in: Shaping the back with the radius dish and some weight - "driving the bus": The back temporary clamped on for checking and fitting and marking for notching: Notch for back brace: A last look at the insides before they are clamped up! And finally for the day, here are a few pics of the back being clamped on - closing up the box, a big milestone:
Day 8
Ok, we're now just past the half-way mark. Here's how the guitar looked as Day 8 kicked off:
Getting the purling ready:
Flush cut top and back to sides:
Recess for the wedge cut out:
Here's the wedge glued in:
Veneers and binding ready to go in:
And glued and taped. Looks a bit mummified:
Day 8 done!Day 9
Here's the body with the binding glued in and now needing flush trimming. But an important question from this pic - which of these 3 tools is most important?
And another dash of CA in just a few places: And finally, a look at where things are up to at the end of Day 9:
Add a little dash of CA glue:
More mummification:
A close up of this bit of the process:
Trimming the purling close with a block plane:
(I didn't take pics of this stage, but here I spent hours scraping the sides!)And another dash of CA in just a few places: And finally, a look at where things are up to at the end of Day 9:
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Day 10
Time flies - here's the last day of the second week ...
Getting some shellac mixed: Trimming the headstock veneer to the nut line: Roughing in the heel: And here's the heel, further along: And finally, there's a gap of hours in this this day without pics because much time was spent adjusting the neck fit to the body Two weeks done!
Getting some shellac mixed: Trimming the headstock veneer to the nut line: Roughing in the heel: And here's the heel, further along: And finally, there's a gap of hours in this this day without pics because much time was spent adjusting the neck fit to the body Two weeks done!
Day 11
Ok, on to the home stretch! Here we are at Week 3 / Day 11 ...
Starting off the day by finishing the neck fit: Putting in some little pins for locating the fingerboard: Rough drawing of the fingerboard end shape: After a visit to the bandsaw and spindle sander, here it is shaped: Marking out the end of the truss rod channel on the top, which was also routed: Fingerboard glued on: And after a dinner break, I spent much of the evening session sanding! Using Shellite every so often to clean up all the timber dust as I sand: And here's how I left the guitar last night. After sanding, I applied 10 rough coats of shellac as a sealer (prep for the next days grain filling):
Starting off the day by finishing the neck fit: Putting in some little pins for locating the fingerboard: Rough drawing of the fingerboard end shape: After a visit to the bandsaw and spindle sander, here it is shaped: Marking out the end of the truss rod channel on the top, which was also routed: Fingerboard glued on: And after a dinner break, I spent much of the evening session sanding! Using Shellite every so often to clean up all the timber dust as I sand: And here's how I left the guitar last night. After sanding, I applied 10 rough coats of shellac as a sealer (prep for the next days grain filling):
Day 12
Ok, I'm finally caught up. Here's the action from today (Day 12):
Starting the day by sanding back the sealer coat: And then a bunch of coats of grain filler, which needed level sanding in between. I won't bore you more more sanding pics of this step: Here's the headstock shaped using template and router: The body post grain-filling: Headstock jig used for slots and tuner holes: Hogging out some timber with a largish drill bit before receiving the router treatment: There's still some finessing to do, but here's the headstock mostly shaped: Next was rough cutting the neck close to the fingerboard using the bandsaw: From there it was refining the fingerboard / neck area with a spokeshave: Getting some neck depth marked using the spindle sander, on both ends of neck, but not quite to final depth: And then more rough shaping using facets and the spokeshave: And my final bit of neck work for the day, using a farrier's rasp: I finished the day with a last bit of sanding and finally ... the first bit of french polishing the body. I didn't take pics, and I only have one video, so here's a bit of a screen grab:
Starting the day by sanding back the sealer coat: And then a bunch of coats of grain filler, which needed level sanding in between. I won't bore you more more sanding pics of this step: Here's the headstock shaped using template and router: The body post grain-filling: Headstock jig used for slots and tuner holes: Hogging out some timber with a largish drill bit before receiving the router treatment: There's still some finessing to do, but here's the headstock mostly shaped: Next was rough cutting the neck close to the fingerboard using the bandsaw: From there it was refining the fingerboard / neck area with a spokeshave: Getting some neck depth marked using the spindle sander, on both ends of neck, but not quite to final depth: And then more rough shaping using facets and the spokeshave: And my final bit of neck work for the day, using a farrier's rasp: I finished the day with a last bit of sanding and finally ... the first bit of french polishing the body. I didn't take pics, and I only have one video, so here's a bit of a screen grab:
Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
This really was full on! It is going to be a great looking guitar - and hopefully great sounding.
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Dave
Dave
Day 13
So what did I get up to today?
Here's how it looked when I started the day: Getting ready for a little french polishing: After a little french polish: A bit more neck shaping. Getting more of the curve in now with more facets: The heel is coming along: Working on the headstock to neck transition: Here's the neck at this point: I still need to clean it up a little, but the transition is coming along: Preparing the bridge blank - shooting board and plane first step: Bridge blank in jig for drilling holes: And, we wrapped up the day by attaching the neck!: That's it for the day, another big one. Two days to go ...
Here's how it looked when I started the day: Getting ready for a little french polishing: After a little french polish: A bit more neck shaping. Getting more of the curve in now with more facets: The heel is coming along: Working on the headstock to neck transition: Here's the neck at this point: I still need to clean it up a little, but the transition is coming along: Preparing the bridge blank - shooting board and plane first step: Bridge blank in jig for drilling holes: And, we wrapped up the day by attaching the neck!: That's it for the day, another big one. Two days to go ...
Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
Looking good.
The finishing schedule interests me. 10 spit coats before going in the aquacoat? Might try this myself. Ive been using Aquacoat on my last few builds but results haven't been that outstanding
The finishing schedule interests me. 10 spit coats before going in the aquacoat? Might try this myself. Ive been using Aquacoat on my last few builds but results haven't been that outstanding
Martin
Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
Those sealer coats were for preventing any discolourisation from the Aquacoat on the blackwood. After leveling that back a little and then filling with Aquacoat, it’s on to what I assume would be a usual french polishing schedule.
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I'm used to 2-3 spit coats prior to pore filling...that's with Indian Rosewood.
Martin
And ... Day 14
Ok, today was the second last day. I didn't take as many pics today because I really had my head down trying to finish some bits off.
Here's the guitar at the start of the day with a neck attached: Getting ready to level the fretboard: And the levelling in action: Slight filing of the fret slots: Getting ready to cut fret wire: Frets going in: A fretted guitar: And then on to fretwork for a while. I didn't take any pics of the fret ends bevelling: I spent way too much time today working this step (due to some mistakes on my end), but here's a heel cap in progress: Further sanding and refining of the neck: And we wrapped up the day with the bridge and heel cap glued on: I missed taking pics of installing the frets and the bridge being made! One more day to go. The plan is to get it all finished and set up, with just a little shellac on. I'll be finishing the french polishing at home over coming months (which was always the plan).
Here's the guitar at the start of the day with a neck attached: Getting ready to level the fretboard: And the levelling in action: Slight filing of the fret slots: Getting ready to cut fret wire: Frets going in: A fretted guitar: And then on to fretwork for a while. I didn't take any pics of the fret ends bevelling: I spent way too much time today working this step (due to some mistakes on my end), but here's a heel cap in progress: Further sanding and refining of the neck: And we wrapped up the day with the bridge and heel cap glued on: I missed taking pics of installing the frets and the bridge being made! One more day to go. The plan is to get it all finished and set up, with just a little shellac on. I'll be finishing the french polishing at home over coming months (which was always the plan).
Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
LOL...heel caps are a pain in the arse. I hate 'em
Martin
Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
I actually had to shape the heel cap a little differently to disguise a 'mistake', which made it just that bit more difficult. ... And then ... after all that hard work of shaping the cap, I accidentally then thicknessed it too much - still no idea how that happened, with me double-checking the numbers and everything - so that meant a further 'tweak' to the heel cap! ... I'm loving the build, and I'm learning from all of this for future builds (so in a sense there can be a wisdom in making mistakes!), but I'll be glad to see the end of working on the heel cap tomorrow when I shape it flush with the heel ...
Bern
Re: Classical Build - Toscano Guitars Intensive
You mention over thinning the heel cap - I make mine so they sit just below the surface of the back so they don't have to be an exact thickness.
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Dave
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