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Can't decide what my next build will be, highest vote wins!

Poll ended at Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:55 pm

12 Stringer, 'SJ' sized body, Brent Cole's Bearclaw Spruce top & Ziricote B&S
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All Tassy Blackwood Resonator round neck twanger, spider type bridge.
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Post by Nick » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:55 pm

I can't decide what my next builds going to be :oops: . I have no commissions currently so now's a good chance to cross one off the wish/bucket list & have a bit of fun.
I was going to go with the 'smaller than a dready' twelve stringer (using my double back system) but then saw Tim Kill's Reso Weezy in Bob's Port Fairy instrumentworx photo's (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4129) & it got my mind working in a whole new direction bugger it! So I thought it might be fun to let you guys decide! Which ever choice looses won't get eliminated altogether, it'll just get built later down the track! :wink:
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Post by Lillian » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:38 pm

I went with the resonator because you pull off different and unique so well.

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Post by Sean Syman » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:52 pm

I'm still insisting you make it a square-neck though so you have to learn how to play slide!

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Post by ozziebluesman » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:55 pm

I voted for a reso and a square neck would be the go.
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Post by kiwigeo » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:57 pm

Wheres the lute option??? :?
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Post by Nick » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:46 pm

kiwigeo wrote:Wheres the lute option??? :?
That ones on the list Martin, just filling up one of middle row seats currently, I can hardly play 6 strings that well so what the hell am I going to do with 13 courses of the buggers! (I have Van Edwards Baroque plans & cd sitting there for a future build) :shock: :wink:

I know Sean's keen for a square neck so that could be an option but that'd mean me having to learn to play it! (or he could show off some of his excellent blues chops in a video for you, once I've finished it!)
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Post by Bob Connor » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:50 pm

What about a 12 string, square neck, resonator, arch-lute.:twisted:

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Post by nnickusa » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:58 pm

I went 12-string---also my next one, I think---don't like resonator guitars :oops:
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Post by christian » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:28 pm

Make the 12stringer, great challenge for bracing playability etc,
either way, with you on the tools its gonna be a gem.
look forward to it mate !!!

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Post by Kamusur » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:39 pm

Bob Connor :lol:

Played a 12 for years but definitely the reso for some slippery slide :cl

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Post by auscab » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:44 pm

I voted for the

"smaller than a dready' twelve stringer (using my double back system) "

Just because I was wondering, whats a double back system ?

If I had to choose on what I'd like listen to being played right now ,I think I would go the other way. I didn't think of that at the time though.

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Post by Nick » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:32 pm

auscab wrote:I voted for the

"smaller than a dready' twelve stringer (using my double back system) "

Just because I was wondering, whats a double back system ?
It's a method I first used on a Maccafferri build (shouldn't really say it's my method because it's probably been used before :oops: Nothing new in Luthiery! I just came up with my own ideas & theories) about halfway down this page and also on two subsequent builds Rob, here. I believe (without any hard scientific evidence or numbers to back it up! :oops: ) that it produces slightly more volume from a smaller body because the back is more active & less influenced (read damped) by the player's gut, which in my case is a major influence! :lol:
Here's, also, a short discussion on my idea's behind the method viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2844 if you are interested.
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Post by P Bill » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:06 pm

I voted informal ,oh wait ,that was a another poll. I went for the reso because I have enough odds and sods to build a simple plank lap steel. I want to see if I have an affinity for it or it's just another instrument to add to the heap of unplayed strings:? .
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Post by kiwigeo » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:46 pm

[quote="NickI believe (without any hard scientific evidence or numbers to back it up! :oops: ) that it produces slightly more volume from a smaller body because the back is more active & less influenced (read damped) by the player's gut, which in my case is a major influence! :lol:
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No good for gutless players like myself :(
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Post by Kim » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:30 pm

I voted for the 12 string SJ Nick. Both would be excellent because that is all you do..but, I really like ziricote 'and' Brent Cole's bear claw sitka so that combo ticks all the boxes for me. 8)

How about an inner back plate of spruce :?:

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Post by J.F. Custom » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:06 pm

Got to be the smaller than dready 12 stringer Nick...

Bearclaw, Ziricote... Who'd pass that up? 8)

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Post by Lillian » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:13 pm

Kim wrote:I voted for the 12 string SJ Nick. Both would be excellent because that is all you do..but, I really like ziricote 'and' Brent Cole's bear claw sitka so that combo ticks all the boxes for me. 8)

How about an inner back plate of spruce :?:

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I like that Kim. That would be a great experiment.

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Post by Nick » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:58 am

Kim wrote:How about an inner back plate of spruce :?:

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There was a guy in the states that was heading down the spruce track at the same time as I did the Macca (how twilight zone was that?!!), he started posting on one of the forums (Dennis's I think) but the post never did progress past the putting the inner plate in so I don't know how successful he was or if he even finished it, he braced the inner plate similar to a classical I believe, I must try finding that thread again. Spruce could indeed be the go Kim.
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Re: Forum's Choice

Post by Tod Gilding » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:27 am

Bob Connor wrote:What about a 12 string, square neck, resonator, arch-lute.:twisted:

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Carefull Bob, This guy would find a way of doing it :D

I went the 12 SJ , would like to see your take on that :D

I hope you post your progress, could be an interesting build to watch.
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Post by Craig » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:31 am

Go for the 12 Nick ! you won't regret it . Mine gets a fair amount of playing. Compensate all the strings and you'll find it awesome. Have another quick listen to John Butler ! :D
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Re: Forum's Choice

Post by Trevor Gore » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:33 am

12 string, 12 frets - very cool...

http://www.goreguitars.com.au/main/page ... jects.html (bottom of the page).

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Post by Craig » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:57 am

Forgot to mention ! Also a 6 pin bridge ( saves a heap of weight and smaller footprint )
Here's the tute link :
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I also went for a 13 fret 24.9 " scale . Just a little easier to play and less tension on the neck. Check it out .
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Post by Nick » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:44 am

Thanks Craig & Trev, compelling reasons right there! I've always loved your 12 string Craig & have your bridge thread bookmarked.
Trevor, did you still keep a 25" or longer scale & shift the bridge back or did you shorten it (similar to Craig's 24.9)? Good to hear that even though the neck/body join is at the twelfth you still retained that big sound too by the bridge's more central placement in the vibrating zone. Both give me valuable food for thought.
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Post by kiwigeo » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:22 pm

Craig wrote:Forgot to mention ! Also a 6 pin bridge ( saves a heap of weight and smaller footprint )
And DONT f&^%k up the compensation at the saddle!!! :oops:
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Post by Trevor Gore » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:28 pm

Nick wrote:Trevor, did you still keep a 25" or longer scale...
I used 24.9" (632mm) on a Gibson 185-ish body shape.
kiwigeo wrote:And DONT f&^%k up the compensation at the saddle!!! :oops:
Nut and saddle compensation is something to think about on a 12 string. Makes a big difference.

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