Where to get black vulcanized paper?
Where to get black vulcanized paper?
Where do you guys source the vulcanized paper that you're using? I've been using veneer dyed black, but would like to try something else. Anywhere in Australia?
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Allen if you can't find an OZ supplier Gurian in the US has it. Since they have some steep mediums I am sure that if you posted on the OLF that you only needed a certain quantity I will bet that someone there would have some to sell directly to you. If I recall Mario uses this for head plates.
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Hey Allen,
Bob the zootman sells it.
Try your local electrical distributor and ask for fish paper or vulcanized fish paper.
If you Auzzie guys want to get together an improt some from China, Young Man Insulating Materials might be a good place to go.
Bob the zootman sells it.
Try your local electrical distributor and ask for fish paper or vulcanized fish paper.
If you Auzzie guys want to get together an improt some from China, Young Man Insulating Materials might be a good place to go.
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Don't think it has rubber in it Matt. It's either made of wood or cloth fibre.
I've tried everywhere to source it in Australia with no luck.
LMI sell it for $12.15USD per 6" x 36" sheet and we use 4 sheets in a neck. So it's quite expensive.
Bob Cefalu http://www.rctonewoods.com sells it for $6.00USD for the same size and that's about the best price I can find it for.
Might have to find out if we can get it from China. Probably cost bugger all.
Cheers
Bob
I've tried everywhere to source it in Australia with no luck.
LMI sell it for $12.15USD per 6" x 36" sheet and we use 4 sheets in a neck. So it's quite expensive.
Bob Cefalu http://www.rctonewoods.com sells it for $6.00USD for the same size and that's about the best price I can find it for.
Might have to find out if we can get it from China. Probably cost bugger all.
Cheers
Bob
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If you can't find it locally...
One of the luthiers on the Luthierforum ordered a while ago from Franklin Fibre. They have a $75 (US) minimum order.
" Vulcanized FRANKLIN Fibreâ„¢ is available in sheet, rod, tubing and roll or coil stock. Standard colors are Red, Gray and Black. FRANKLIN Insulating Paper (Fishpaper) is a special grade of Fibre sheet with superior electrical properties and flexibility."
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One of the luthiers on the Luthierforum ordered a while ago from Franklin Fibre. They have a $75 (US) minimum order.
" Vulcanized FRANKLIN Fibreâ„¢ is available in sheet, rod, tubing and roll or coil stock. Standard colors are Red, Gray and Black. FRANKLIN Insulating Paper (Fishpaper) is a special grade of Fibre sheet with superior electrical properties and flexibility."
Dennis
Another damn Yank!
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Must have rubber in it somewhere, else why would it be "vulcanised" paper?? I suspect it uses vulcanised rubber to bond a matrix of fibres.bob wrote:Don't think it has rubber in it Matt.
If so, I wonder whether long-term deterioration is anything to worry about, or whether since it is glued up in an oxygen free environment, it will last as long as lignin and gelatin anyway ...
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Well ... I can find bugger-all about fishpaper on the internet other than what a good product it is! nothing about its manufacture. So I guess its just another way of keeping organic fibres bound in an organic glue, a kind of artificial wood, anyway. Bother. I wanted to find out how it was made. Useless Internet
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Might be an idea to keep things simple to start with Allen and just order some .010" and see how things pan out.
My Chinglish aint real flash either.
By the kilogram . Hmm. Even one kilo should be a fair old amount of the stuff.
What uses do you want to put it to? We really only use it for neck laminations so rolls 6" wide would be great. If it comes in wider rolls, so be it.
Postage from Singapore shouldn't be too bad.
My Chinglish aint real flash either.
By the kilogram . Hmm. Even one kilo should be a fair old amount of the stuff.
What uses do you want to put it to? We really only use it for neck laminations so rolls 6" wide would be great. If it comes in wider rolls, so be it.
Postage from Singapore shouldn't be too bad.
The response I got this morning tells me that the .01" is sold be the roll at 1000mm wide.
I asked them about black, and what other colors were available. The response was natural (I can only assume this means off white) and yellow.
They also said that they do not make the .06" in black. There web site shows lots of products and I asked specifically about vulcanized fish paper. There is other products that look like this, but its called something else. Also the thicker product is sold by the 1 X 2 meter sheet. Shipping for that might be a bit awkward.
Price quoted was $1.35 US per kilo. I'll try to find out how many meters are in a roll, and how many kilo's it is.
I was thinking that it could be used as the black strip in purflings as well as your applications. If it was available in other colors it could be used to good effect in making multi line purflings. Buying colored veneers gets awfully expensive really quick.
I asked them about black, and what other colors were available. The response was natural (I can only assume this means off white) and yellow.
They also said that they do not make the .06" in black. There web site shows lots of products and I asked specifically about vulcanized fish paper. There is other products that look like this, but its called something else. Also the thicker product is sold by the 1 X 2 meter sheet. Shipping for that might be a bit awkward.
Price quoted was $1.35 US per kilo. I'll try to find out how many meters are in a roll, and how many kilo's it is.
I was thinking that it could be used as the black strip in purflings as well as your applications. If it was available in other colors it could be used to good effect in making multi line purflings. Buying colored veneers gets awfully expensive really quick.
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OK. Confession time.
Here's a couple of pics of a Padauk neck that we built some time ago before we had a supply of vulcanised fish paper.
The black strips on either side of the maple are MDF soaked in black stain.
The neck is solid as a rock and hasn't moved in 18 months sonce it was built.
Who needs stinking fish paper anyway.
Bob
Here's a couple of pics of a Padauk neck that we built some time ago before we had a supply of vulcanised fish paper.
The black strips on either side of the maple are MDF soaked in black stain.
The neck is solid as a rock and hasn't moved in 18 months sonce it was built.
Who needs stinking fish paper anyway.
Bob
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Allen the MDF was around .020".
The thickness of the fish paper is .010".
Our sander isn't accurate enough to do that Matthew.
We have considered veneers.
It took an entire can of stain costing $16 to get that MDF totally black plus the time it took to do it doesn't make it viable.
Allens been chasing the fish paper up from the source in China which will make it very cheap.
Unfortunately we have to buy nearly 3/4 of a kilometre of it.
Bob
The thickness of the fish paper is .010".
Our sander isn't accurate enough to do that Matthew.
We have considered veneers.
It took an entire can of stain costing $16 to get that MDF totally black plus the time it took to do it doesn't make it viable.
Allens been chasing the fish paper up from the source in China which will make it very cheap.
Unfortunately we have to buy nearly 3/4 of a kilometre of it.
Bob
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